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tto harrison, the wine tcollection.. to craig, this rock. the redwoods to the redheads. the rainbows to the proud. i leave these things to my heirs, all 39 million of you, on one condition. that you do everything in your power to preserve and protect them. with love, california. good afternoon. i'm kasie hunt in today for ali velshi. >> i'm here to talk about a fire that heavily damaged the notre dame cathedral behind me. >> we'll get back to chris but we're starting with president
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trump. as the redacted version of the mueller report is set to be released in just two days, the president released this stateme statement went out by the white house. we know that president trump will once again be vindicated. no collusion and no obstruction. the tables should turn now, as it is time to investigate the liars who instigated the sham investigation in the first place. one person close to the white house said there is breakdown level anxiety among some current and former staffers. they are worried that thursday's findings will reveal them as a source of damaging information about the president and the political fallout that could follow, according to multiple witnesses in the investigation. joining us now is carol lee, political reporter.
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nbc hans nichols is live for us from the white house. carol, i want to walk through some of this reporting as we kind of sit here and wait. it's been almost a year we've been waiting to find out what mueller has been able to find. why are these white house staffers so stressed out? >> basically, k arkkasie, they' stressed out because they agreed to cooperate. they were told by the president's white house legal team to fully cooperate with the investigation. they did that, and in order to do that, the only thing to do is tell the truth and be completely forthcoming, which they did, otherwise they would put their own selves in legal jeopardy. in doing that, there are some things they had to talk about and disclose that would be potentially damaging to the president or make him look bad. and what the concern is that they are now really thinking about is are their names going to be attached to certain specific information where they are identified as the source of that information, or is it going
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to be something like, you know, where you can look at a situation or something in the report and see where it came from, who had provided that information. for instance, if there was a one-on-one conversation that the president had with somebody, only that other person would be able to disclose. and knowing president trump, and seeing how he has responded to this investigation and how he views loyalty, they're really concerned that if he learns that they were behind certain pieces of information that are in this report that make him look bad that he's going to lash out at them in one way or another. >> hans nichols, the president, i was just being told, has apparently tweeted. he writes, no obstruction, no collusion. tell us what kind of fight the white house is gearing up for and how they're getting ready. >> reporter: well, it's a fight they want to bring back to the bottom line, and the bottom line is what the president keeps tweeting about. that tweet we just saw, no collusion, no obstruction, is the second time today he's used
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that tweet. this time he's dependent on apparently a fox news clip that you can scroll through and watch. think of the mueller report when it finally gets out as a book report. there will be series of book parties throughout town. newsrooms will be having them, they'll be having them at outside legal teams in the white house, they'll be having them inside the white house. the legal team will be doing triage. we don't know at all how bloody this report will be, but they'll be dividing it in sections and each taking a section try to get through as quickly as possible, because they recognize that speed is of the essence when you're trying to do a response to a report like this. there will likely be a response from the president's outside legal team, and then inside we can expect, according to an administration official, a similar response to what we got when the initial barr letter came out on sunday, that is, an initial letter followed by public tv appearances, and this
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is crucial, whether the president finds his way to a camera to put his spin on it. but the white house wants to bring this back to the bottom line which they insist is no collusion, no obstruction. kasie? >> carol, to that point, i think it's important to state that while the president keeps repeating that refrain, robert mueller seems to clear him with the conspiracy russia piece of this, but he neither found him guilty of obstruction nor exonerated him of obstruction of justice. is that the piece of this that these officials are most worried about, or is it broader than that? >> that's exactly right, kasie, that's the piece they're most worried about. that's the space of the investigation in which the president's actions and things he said, things he did, things he directed, aims to do really leaves a wide open space for a number of different potential things to come out. that's what they're really worried about.
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they have a clear conclusion on the spiritual piece, as you said. the other one not so much. so to the extent we see this white house pushing back, and that all depends how the report is written and how much of that is damaging to the president, they're going to be focused on that. they're really going to aggressively go after anything that threatens him in terms of saying that he had tried to obstruct justice or took actions that may have not been, you know, on the up and up, basically. >> carol lee, hans nichols, thank you both, as always. chris jansing, over to you in paris. >> reporter: thank you, ka sirks -- kasie. t france's president is vowing to rebuild the notre dame cathedral after it burned in fire. >> translator: we have a lot to
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build, so yes, we will rebuild the cathedral of notre dame even more beautiful than it was, but this must be done in five years. we can do that. and we will mobilize to do this. >> reporter: five years, that promise from emanuel macron came hours after we got our first look inside the damaged cathedral. look at this aerial view of the damage. the french interior ministry says that while the building's structure is generally intact rkintact, firefighters have detected weak points in some areas. then there's video by a french network that shows two gaping holes in the ceiling of this nearly 900-year-old building. and also the piles of debris in front of the altar. restoring this historic landmark will take a long time. you heard president macron say five years is the goal. it's going to take a lot of
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money. there is no estimate yet. there have been offers of support, though, from all over the world, including the u.s. white house press secretary sarah sanders said in a statement, we are saddened to witness the damage of this architectural masterpiece. notre dame will continue to serve az symbol of france, including its freedom of religion and democracy. she went on to say, those bells will sound again. we've been watching this, hundreds of people marching through the streets of paris on their way to a vigil for notre dame cathedral, slowly making their way through the streets of the city of lights and singing. nbc chief foreign correspondent richard engel has been here from when the building was on fire yesterday and joins me now. i thought it was notable listening to emanuel macron. he didn't talk about the investigation, he didn't talk about what went wrong or what they're doing to try to find out what happened -- >> it's a call for national unity, saying, we can do this if we, as french people, pull
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together. and he said five years is what he wants to see to rebuild the cathedral. >> here we are just in day one, but there's already been a lot of activity over there. tell us what's been going on today. >> we know quite a bit of what french officials are looking at, what french investigators are concerned about, and the main concern right now is not the fire, it's the aftermath of the fire. that the structural integrity of notre dame is no longer intact, or may not be as stable as they would like it. they're very concerned that it is not stable enough. for days weav've been talking about those flying buttresses, how they come in from the side to go to enormous heights. it was from an enormous height that the center spire crashed on the ground. it exploded quite like a bomb, so you can imagine the shock wave that was sent through the building. and also the roof timbers have burned away.
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when you have the roof timbers gone, a shock wave that went through the building, and massive gaping holes, the structure is not as robust as it normally would be, not as robust as it was 24 hours ago. in particular, they're focused on the north corner, and they think that is where it might be weakest, according to architects who have been on the site today studying this. we were watching earlier, there was a crane with workmen on it, and they were using a drill to remove from that northern corner a massive statue in order to relieve some of the weight, and they evacuated people from the area, they evacuated surrounding buildings because they didn't want that part of the building or any part of the building to crumble. >> we've seen two gaping holes, someone said three, there are three gaping holes where two-thirds of the roof is gone. they need to think of something temporarily to cover that. they don't want any more damage going into the main body of the cathedr cathedral.
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>> it's flooded now because they've been pouring water into it. we've had a few raindrops already today, and it's not going to be for another day or so, according to officials here, that they're going to go in and remove some of the big paintings that are inside because they're worried that the structure is not sound, things could be falling from the roof, they're worried about the safety of the restoration teams, the recovery teams. so there are still artworks inside. some of them have been taken out, the holy relics, the important objects have been taken out, but there are still things attached to the wall that they want to take out before the elements on them ruin even further. >> and of course this is one of the best restoration teams in the world. they will have their hands as well. richard engel, thank you so much for being with us. the bells of the cathedral may have been temporarily silenced, but some churches rang their bells today to show their
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support of this historic landmark. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: thousands of people watched, of course fr, just 24 hours ago as firefighters worked to save this beautiful gothic cathedral. one of the people who was watching was jean natale. just yesterday i was in new york. you were visiting here on vacation. have you had time to process what's happened here? >> a little bit, but it's still fresh and still difficult to process. it's an incredibly iconic and
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historic monument, and we can't believe that this happened. certainly not while we're here. >> reporter: as a visitor to paris, what did it mean for you to go there, to see it, how high of a priority was it for you? >> it was at the top of the list. we went to see the outside of it on sunday and we were going to come back actually on monday, yesterday, and our plans were obviously changed -- had to change. >> reporter: so as you see what's been going on, and we've been showing people who are marching on the streets of paris, and there has been a show of support from all around the world. give us a sense of how you feel sort of the mood of this city has shifted over the last 24 hours. >> sure. it started as a vacation, and we were having a lot of fun. everyone is very welcoming and hospitable. now there is a somber mood and a very palpable sadness and distraught, really, i think is the word i would use to describe
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how everybody seems to be behaving. >> reporter: i just also want to make note of the fact we have been watching on the seinne, the dinner cruises, the tour boats, they have been continuing to go. in fact, there is one large dinner boat we see going down the seinne. there was a smaller one behind it today. i saw some of the bike tours going through paris. there is also, in addition to the sadness, which i agree with you, i feel this resilience, this feeling of life goes on, people populating the caves and to -- cafes and tourists doing what they do. >> we noticed that last night. for many, many hours the firefighters worked to put the fire out and contain the fire. we did walk to some cafes nearby and people were still living their lives. obviously it was what everybody was talking about, but they were living their lives the way they
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normally do. >> reporter: and you were just a few blocks away? >> yes. >> it was nice to speak with you yesterday and thank you for coming over. it was nice to meet with you in person. i think some of the things people are noting here, thankfully there were no lives lost. they've seen attacks here in recent years, so there is a feeling that in some ways, in fact, one french official said it was a minor miracle that no one was killed in what was an inferno and that this building behind me is still standing. and the commitment we heard today, kasie, to rebuild in less than five years. back to you. >> a minor miracle, indeed, chris. thanks. coming up next, the battle for iowa is on. senator buttigieg and senator cory booker as they go to the
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two democratic candidates are in iowa. first up, pete buttigieg. he was on the rachel maddow show last night where he explained why he signed up for the reserve. >> i was knocking on doors volunteering for barack obama in some very low-income rural counties in iowa. i was blown away how many doors i would open and talk to young people on their way to recruitment. i realized how stark the military had become. i could count on one hand the people at harvard who had gone
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to serve and i began to feel like i was the problem. >> josh is following the candidates in des moines, iowa. josh, good to see you. it looks warmer where you are than where i am. >> it's sunny in des moines. >> you wrote a piece yesterday essentially raising the question of how buttigieg will turn what's been a very strong start that's gotten a lot of attention, raised him a lot of money, into a real campaign that can actually go the distance. what's their plan? >> reporter: yeah, so he's essentially had what's been an aggressive media strategy until now, kasie, and now he has to turn that into an actual national campaign that's capable of doing all the complicated work to deliver votes here in iowa and in new hampshire, south carolina, all the other early states. right now he doesn't have any offices or field staff working on the ground in the early states. the good news is he now has the
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money to be able to do that, and his campaign manager mike schmoll tells us in the next couple weeks they're looking to add staffers, field people on the ground, as well as just to flush out some of the policy positions on his website. weaver be we've been talking to folks in iowa about what they think of the policy he's laid out so far as well as his broad political approach. let's hear what they have to say. >> i've heard people talk about he's homosexual, he's married to a man. coming from the same state as mike pence, he gets to hear some of the nastiness of gay marriage. i feel like i feel his pain. >> he loves people for who they really are and following the teachings that i believe are true. it's very much a contrast from what we've seen on the right, on
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the conservative side, and i just appreciate that new view. >> what do you think of the way he's taken on mike pence? >> i love it. no president ever has been completely averse to everything they have to -- >> he hasn't put out a bunch of policy ideas. does that bother you at all? g >> yes and no. it's super early in the race. >> reporter: and kasie, pete buttigieg is diving into this politic launch in iowa. a two-county swing through iowa before he heads back. meanwhile, senator cory booker is on a justice for all tour. it's a two-week trip through iowa, georgia and nevada. today the senator spoke about his plan for education, slamming trump's education secretary
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betty devos while entering his own support for charter schools and school vouchers. >> in northern new jersey, we faced dire straits. we had a system that was failing so many of our kids, and as a local leader i was willing to look for answers anywhere i could find them. what we ended up finding was just looking at our schools and expanding the schools of excellence and actually making sure we were closing schools that weren't serving our kids. >> correspogarrett has been fol cory booker's campaign. garrett, good to see you. you're also with a candidate's name that starts with a b. i know charter schools have become something of a problem with him with the democratic base, but also, what are you picking up out on the trail? there are a lot of people in washington who say they don't think booker has launched himself into the top tier of
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candidates. are you seeing things on the road that contradicts that? >> i'll start with the education piece. i'm in a small rural county in iowa. i'm going to back out of the room here so we're not disruptive of those folks. on the education plan, booker laid out a couple points. he was a little defensive of charter schools and his support there in the past, pointing out that this worked well for him in newark, but it's not something he wants to see done super broadly in the rest of the country. he wants to make sure our public schools get stood up first. and something around the edges where our federal government can be effective, like helping with mental health services in schools, making sure children get pre-k, making sure special needs are taken care of. the most vulnerable folks, he says, are the ones that need help in the educational system. on the question of where booker fits into all this politically, it is interesting to go to these events and see the case he's trying to make. he has significant staff here in iowa.
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he spent time here in 2018 in the midterms, helping other candidates out. there is not the overwhelming sense of enthusiasm for him that we saw here in some of the early beto o'rourke events, that you're seeing with probably the more well known candidates nationally. but he is connecting with folks. he tells his own personal story very well, and he's trying to paint himself as a trans f transformational leader, someone very different than donald trump. listen to how he talks about leadership. >> i am not running this election thinking our country needs another leader that looks at people and just gets engaged in demeaning others. i think we need redeeming, not demeaning. i know that because it's who i am. it's my most authentic space, is this idea of bringing people together to solve problems. >> reporter: kasie, it's going to be the test for these democratic candidates. some folks want somebody who is
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going to take it to donald trump. they want a fighter, they want someone who is going to be really aggressive, and some folks say we have to open up the party a little bit more. these things don't have to be mutually exclusive, but you have cory booker talking a lot about love, about an open tent, and about wanting to hear from as many voters as possible and bring folks in, and i think we're going to find out using that approach, which is not a more puj lisk proechltd which every democrat i talk to is u nifltd it on this idea, they want someone who can beat donald trump. i could care less about how they do it. >> good point. thank you for being there in iowa for us. ex-massachusetts governor bill weld said it would be a tragedy if president trump was
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you can add a new candidate to the people running for president in 2020 and this one is not a democrat. ex-massachusetts governor bill
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weld announced yesterday he is announcing a primary challenge against president trump. he ran for governor as a republican in massachusetts. it also featured some of the president's most controversial moments, including the "access hollywood" tape, mocking the reporter and his meetings with vladimir putin. his theme is "america has a better choice." bill, thank you for being on the program today. >> thank you, kasie. america has a lot better choices. i hope i'm one of them, but that's true. >> the democrats want someone to challenge the president, but he has overwhelming strength in the republican party. he's got 89% job approval among republicans, his campaign raised $30 million. only 8% of republican voters were willing to support you.
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there are 20% who say that they're with the president right now, but maybe they could be swayed to support you. why do you think you could successfully take on a president that seems so strong with his own party? >> well, i think the president is very strong with republican state committees around the country because they're under orders from the republican national committee and the trump campaign to make sure there are no primaries, there is no contest. but that's just a few people in each state, and i think one of the themes of my campaign is we want the election, both the primary and the general, to be decided by voters, not by party bosses, so my -- >> but it's voters in these polls who say they approve of the president's job. >> no, i think what they're saying is they are buffaloed and they haven't looked at the president's time in office.
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you have a moment like senator booker, everyone knows the president is mean-spirited and he tries to call out little people by name, and he tries to make sure little people like the vendors at his casinos don't get paid. but the more that's known about the president's business conduct and his conduct in office, the more i think people will come to question whether they really think it's such a great idea being behind this commander in chief in office. he's insulted our military allies, he's praised dictators abroad. sunlight is the best disinfecta disinfectant, and as more is known about his record and the more about this emperor has new clothes, i think the better the result. >> do you have any policy differences with president
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trump? >> we really have nothing in common. i am an economic conservative, he is not. he's never cut a dime in spending. >> do you think his tax cut plan that he pushed through congress, would you vote against it? >> i cut taxes 21 times when i was governor, but the difference is i cut spending before i cut taxes, and the president has not done that. so i don't think it's fair to say that he's an economic conservative. he certainly is an isolationist to a fault. he wants us to despise people from every other country and frighten the american public into thinking that they're under siege from people in every other nation. that he calls being a nationalist. it really just means to him it's more important that we hate everybody elsely. i declared my candidacy and you
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need to love your country. that's clearly not the case with mr. trump. he wants to divide the people. it's not what you expect from someone in the oval office. >> you ran last time on the libertarian ticket with gary johnson. i want to show our viewers one of the things that you said when you were at the libertarian convention in orlando back in 2016. take a look. >> i want to look every libertarian in the eye here who has fought for this party for years and fought for our rights and tell us that you will not betray us. >> alicia, thank you so much for having me up here. as i think i indicated earlier in my remarks, i am a libertarian for life. >> have you taken that back now? >> no. you know, to an extent, that's still true. i'm not a registered libertarian
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than i was in 2015, 2012, 2010. >> brt. >> part of that is true. the direct way to run is against them in their own party. wouldn't a lot of democrats give their eyeteeth to be democrat 2 right now? just as a matter of practical politics, i think that's the place to be, and i aim to call the president out on issues like spendi spending. reca letting our appliances go to
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pot. the best traditions in the republican party are antithetical to the policies being advanced by donald trump. >> all right, bill weld. 2020 republican presidential candidate and the former governor of mississippi. thank you so much. >> thank you, kasie. coming up, crowds are gathering in paris in tribute of the moving notre dame cathedral. it also endangered historic reli relics. they are hoping to cope withm t this. the best-selling book is number one and the translation is the
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>> reporter: i'm chris jansing live in the city of paris, a city that's still reeling after
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people around the globe watched one of the planet's most popular landmarks burn. just moments ago we saw the crowd gathered in paris, singing in mourning. ♪ that vigil in honor of notre dame, the cultural religious icon that stood in paris for more than eight centuries. it comes as french pat emanuel macron vowed to rebuild notre dame, a process that could take years. joining me now, rachel donato, a staff writer for "the atlantic"
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who covers culture across europe. and rachel hopkins. thank you for coming over here. emanuel macron said five years. weaver seen the pictures of the gaping holes, weav've seen the debris that lines the knave. it seems optimistic but a positive statement that this city will move forward. >> i think president macron was optimistic and he certainly expressed that in his speech. also note that the olympics are coming up in paris, so there is certainly momentum to build things ahead of that. you're right, it seems ambitious. it's a huge structure, ancient -- not ancient, but centuries old. it's run by the state. there are private funders who want to support it. it seems like potentially it could become a hornet's nest, but where there's a will, there's a way.
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>> we have no idea how much this will cost. they haven't begun doing the structural assessment. but donations are in the millions worldwide. >> luxury magnets have give ayn lot of money. one of the sad statistics that's jumped out at me is the state of france contributed 2 million euros a year to the upkeep of notre dame, which really was not enough. in 2013, the church began a fundraising drive to rye to raise 150 million euros which it needed to do the restoration work. authorities are indicating it was the restoration where the fire began. >> yeah, and there has been some criticism, why did folks wait so long to make these significant contributions. that will be a conversation for another day. ann, i want to go to you because if there is a silver lining, many people are pointing to the fact that some of the most rare, the most iconic pieces of art
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have been saved, including the crown of thorns, the vestments of san luis. there will be an assessment of the damage that's been done. already some of the things that have been taken out have been brought to the louvre. give us a sense of how much of a task is facing restoration experts and where do they even start? >> you're absolutely right. thank goodness they were able to save what i consider to be the portable objects, the relics. the crown of thorns, it now appears there is a list of objects they were able to save over this movement of a human chain passing things back out of the building in efforts last night. also relics of the true cross, relics of san luis, the sainted king of france, among many other valuable pieces of metalwork, artwork, painting, statuary,
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things like that. for a lot of people that have stake in this structure. we can see visibly in the timber roof that burned through and, of course, in the vaulting in the center of the building in a crossing of the knave. that's a center point structurally for buildings like this. so i think they have a tremendous task in front of them to assess what of that vaulting can hold, how to shore up what is there. we call a medieval building a keystone because it holds the vault in place. once those are removed, that threatens the structural integrity as a whole. it's really an incredible puzzle they have to face as they consider restoration. >> and, rachel, all the folks
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that are looking on television now that have come out for this vigil for notre dame, this is your city. you live not far from here, and i wonder what goes through your mind with the unlit structure of notre dame behind you, and not far from where we're standing, all your fellow parisians and others who are turning out. >> first of all, i'm heartened by the fact the structure is still standing. last night it really wasn't clear just walking towards -- >> when i was on the air, there was a french official who said, we don't know if we can save it. >> that's true. there were billows of pale, yellow smoke. it was fascinating watching it in a horrible way. it's fascinating for trance and honorable for all humanity. we shouldn't take this for granted. it's just so shocking to see it burn so quickly and i'm heartened to see parisians
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coming out for this vigil. >> rachel, ann, thanks to both of you for lending your insight and expertise. as we finish on these pictures, not far from here, the public who have gathered very near. this is a very resilient city, a city that's seen evolution and a structure of notre dame that has survived two world wars, and more recently, terror attacks here in paris. but at a time like this, a city that comes together, and speaking to the people of this city, grateful for the support they have seen around the world. that's going to do for me here from paris. kasie, back to you. >> thank you so much, chris. coming up next, we have thousands of pages of facebook documents that talk about protecting facebook's data. mark zuckerberg actually used
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facebook's mark zuckerberg has tried repeatedly to assure users their privacy and data is secure. but now nbc news finds exclusively that the company shared that data with zuckerberg's friends and to fight its rivals. the company's leaders seriously considered selling that data. the data included information ranging from friends and relationships to photos. this nbc news report is based on 4,000 pages of leaked company documents stemming from a california court case and spanning from 2011 to 2015. citing the documents, the nbc
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piece reads, quote, in some cases facebook would reward favored companies by giving them access to the data of its users. in other cases, it would deny user data access to rival companies or apps. one executive called ceo mark zuckerberg a, quote, master of leverage. facebook says the documents were, quote, cherry picked. in a statement to nbc news wrote, quote, the set of documents, by design, tells only one side of the story and omits important context. but the facts are clear, we never sold people's data. nbc news has not been able to confirm whether the documents reflect a complete picture. joining me tech investigations editor olivia who broke this story. thank you so much for being here. what should people, who are watching this program, who are using facebook every day, what you found isn't really very reassuring for them when they hear the ceo of facebook say he's not selling data and that's
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his top priority, protecting it? >> well, yeah, i certainly wouldn't take encouragement from that. i think the main thing these documents so is the huge gulf between the way facebook talks about user data publicly versus the way it talks about it privately. and behind closed doors, they talk about it in terms of being a bargaining chip to control competitors, reward partners and consolidate their power in the marketplace. but publicly they talked about controlling access to data as being a pro privacy move. we see very little evidence of this in the e-mails that we've seen, e-mails, chat logs, presentations. the only time they mention privacy is in the context of how to communicate changes from a pr perspective. >> that point really stuck out to me, because in the grillings that zuckerberg has gotten on capitol hill, for example, he's tried to portray it as a top concern of the company.
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is he still telling the technical truth when he says that facebook didn't sell data? what did we learn from these documents about that question? >> so facebook ultimately decided not to sell access to user data. it wasn't actually going to sell the data itself. that could be -- that's up for debate depending on the semantics of what you think selling data means, but they did discuss it at a very senior level. until now facebook made out as though they were spit balling ideas, kicking a few ideas around, nothing was decided upon. what we've been able to show is these ideas of selling access to user data we discussed at the very highest level with executives like mark zuckerberg and sheryl sandberg and they were even presented to the company's board of directors. so what do we know about how facebook is conducting business now? do we know, what if this was rejected, adopted, and how they
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are encouraging it at this moment? >> at this moment, i do think facebook has had a bit of a change of heart. we've seen things like cambridge analytica happen in the last couple of years. it does seem as though the company is shifting towards being a more pro privacy company. but again, "noyou know, with ju seeing public communications as a whole, one of the things interesting in the documents we had access to was the way a lot of employees at the company weren't happy with the discussions around trading user data. there was one employee referred to it as being unethical while another compared facebook to being like the rock on "game of thrones." if you're not a "game of thrones" fan that's the ancestral family of the machiavellian family. >> an analogy. thank you to much for your insights today. as we wrap up our program today,
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chris jansing, i know you're still with me. we had a little bit of happy news here at the nbc family. katy tur and her husband announcing the birth of their son teddy. i know things, obviously, are tougher over there in paris today. one of our reporters who was covering this talked about the cross that survived this fire, the notion of resurrection and rebirth. that certainly is what paris is undertaking now. >> it is the theme of this easter week. happening in this easter week has caused a lot of people to talk about the whole idea of resurrection, that even as there's concern about embers still burning, you see the huge crowds gathering in paris who want to believe that as the president macron said in five years notre dame will rise again. it is emblematic of who this country is, of who the parisians are, that they are once again in
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the face of loss showing such resilience, such rebirth. so in that way, very heartening. and yes to our great and good friend, the anchor katy tur of the 2:00 on the birth of her child. we offer our congratulations from paris. >> congratulations indeed. of course our hearts here in the united states are with the people of paris today. that's going to wrap it up for us in washington, d.c., and in paris. coming up next, deadline white house with my friend nicolle wallace. that starts right now. >> hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in washington, d.c. we're a couple miles away. current and former white house advisers are reportedly in full freak out mode over robert mueller's report. a redacted version due out in about 36 hours.

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